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>>> mr. zimmerman, your -- i have signed the judgment that confirms the jury's verdict. your bond will be released. your gps monitor will be cut off when you exit the courtroom over here. and you have no further business with the court. >> thank you, your honor. >> and that is how the criminal case ended just late last night. george zimmerman, a free man this morning. >> but his lawyers said whether he decides to stay in florida or move away and start over zimmerman's life will never be the same. nobody understands that better than his family, especially his brother, robert zimmerman, who joins us now. we know it's been an incredibly long evening for your family. the last thing you wanted to do was leave them. but i know that getting out and getting the message from the family out is also important. so let's start with the obvious. when is the last time you had a chance to speak with your brother and get a sense of where his head is now? >> we heard from george last night. he is adjusting. that's really the best way i can put it. i think he's been kind of caged in. he's
>>> mr. zimmerman, your -- i have signed the judgment that confirms the jury's verdict. your bond will be released. your gps monitor will be cut off when you exit the courtroom over here. and you have no further business with the court. >> thank you, your honor. >> and that is how the criminal case ended just late last night. george zimmerman, a free man this morning. >> but his lawyers said whether he decides to stay in florida or move away and start over zimmerman's...
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and it would be virtually impossible for mr. zimmerman not to go on the stand. and what he will say when he's on the stand would be critical to their -- >> for the case. right. >> absolutely. and so respectfully there are a lot more steps here. and those who wouldpontificate a bit reerepremature. >> i want to show you something tweeted out by van jones whole be one of the hosts of cross fire. it is a picture of martin luther king in a hoodie. a lot of folks took offense at that, a lot of folks cheered it. i was interested in your reaction to it particularly because we had spoken earlier about whether trayvon martin should be compared to megger everett. >> i think for young people, the reality is that they often feel judged because they wear their hoodies. they're seen as suspect. and this is across race. >> but it's the use of martin luther king's iconic image. >> right. and where i was headed is that, yes, we remember martin luther kick sort of with a halo and a glow of light. but he lived a life as a black man and really as a young plan man, killed before he w
and it would be virtually impossible for mr. zimmerman not to go on the stand. and what he will say when he's on the stand would be critical to their -- >> for the case. right. >> absolutely. and so respectfully there are a lot more steps here. and those who wouldpontificate a bit reerepremature. >> i want to show you something tweeted out by van jones whole be one of the hosts of cross fire. it is a picture of martin luther king in a hoodie. a lot of folks took offense at...
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i can't opine on the innocence or guilt of mr. zimmerman. i was not on the jury, but i think what happened here could be a manifestation of that maxim. >> i want toss here with you and still talk about the jury. ultimately it is the interpretation of the law by the jury. it's what rules. so of course without changing the meaning or legal impact, should some laws be rewritten to make them easier to understand? >> potentially, and that's the age old question. there always is, as i said, are written by lawyers and committee well before the trial. each state has their own set of jury instructions, but then the lawyers, the prosecution and the defense in criminal cases, grapple over a negotiated overwording because somebody's life is at stake in criminal cases and every word matters. i think, however, that this judge, judge nelson, did a reasonable job taking the previously drafted jury instructions by the legal committee, which are on the books, and crafted them to apply to this case. again, i'd be very curious to see what question the jurors ha
i can't opine on the innocence or guilt of mr. zimmerman. i was not on the jury, but i think what happened here could be a manifestation of that maxim. >> i want toss here with you and still talk about the jury. ultimately it is the interpretation of the law by the jury. it's what rules. so of course without changing the meaning or legal impact, should some laws be rewritten to make them easier to understand? >> potentially, and that's the age old question. there always is, as i...
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mr. zimmerman a free man, acquitted last night on all charges by a jury of six women. zimmerman's response to the verdict was subdued and silent. the interpret erupted in outrage, both outrage of those who ported a guilty verdict and those who supported a not guilty verdict and were angry at those who felt differently. what leaked onto the streets mirrored that emotion but mostly it was nonviolent thankfully. several peaceful and vocal marches popped up. many held signs asking for justice for trayvon saying no justice, no peace. pastors made last minute changes in their sermons taking into account the verdict. the church where trayvon martin's mother sybrina fulton normally attends? >> reporter: that's right. this is the miami neighborhood where trayvon grew up, lived, the park he attended not far from here. sybrina fulton and tracy martin often attended this church here today. there was some thought perhaps they might be here this morning for perhaps the 11:00 a.m. service. they did not come. the pastor, arthur jackson, did talk with sybrina today. this is part of the
mr. zimmerman a free man, acquitted last night on all charges by a jury of six women. zimmerman's response to the verdict was subdued and silent. the interpret erupted in outrage, both outrage of those who ported a guilty verdict and those who supported a not guilty verdict and were angry at those who felt differently. what leaked onto the streets mirrored that emotion but mostly it was nonviolent thankfully. several peaceful and vocal marches popped up. many held signs asking for justice for...
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he saw his client george zimmerman as a victim of the media. i want you to listen to what mr. o'mara described last night. >> you guys, the media, he was like a patient in an operating table where a mad scientist were permitting experiments on him and he had no anesthesia. he didn't know why he was turned into this monster, but quite honestly, you guys had lot to do with it because you took a story that was fed to you and you ran with it and you ran right over him. and that was horrid to him. >> okay. so i'm joined now by our legal analysts sunny hostin, former federal prosecutor, and criminal defense attorney mark nejame. sunny, so he's blaming the media for part of the narrative here, part of i guess of shaping the narrative when it comes to his client. >> that's fascinating to me only because this played out in a jury room. in a courtroom. and they weren't privy to anything that we were saying outside of that. and i think what is terrific, though, about what did happen here is that there were cameras in the courtroom. everyone got to see what was going on. there was transpa
he saw his client george zimmerman as a victim of the media. i want you to listen to what mr. o'mara described last night. >> you guys, the media, he was like a patient in an operating table where a mad scientist were permitting experiments on him and he had no anesthesia. he didn't know why he was turned into this monster, but quite honestly, you guys had lot to do with it because you took a story that was fed to you and you ran with it and you ran right over him. and that was horrid to...
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>> sure, i think there will be a self-case brought by the estate against mr. zimmerman. it is a different standard and an easier case to win and there is an offset based on the million dollars they have gotten. they have to achieve more than the million dollars to achieve a profit in that particular case. all i'm saying is the rule of law has prevailed here. we can look at it and let's see how we can do better. let's come together. let's not come apart. >> thank you. thank you so much. >> good to see you. >>> peter and eric, there are still growing questions about the pressure some critics say allowed this trial to even happen and whether or not the mainstream media convicted zimmerman long before the jury found him not guilty. judge alex joins us in a moment to break it all down. >> i think the prosecution of george zimmerman was disgraceful. >> i am gratified by the jury's verdict. as happy i am for george zimmerman, i am thrilled that this jury kept this tragedy from becoming a travisty. >>> in the circuit court of the 18th judicial circuit in seminole, florida. the s
>> sure, i think there will be a self-case brought by the estate against mr. zimmerman. it is a different standard and an easier case to win and there is an offset based on the million dollars they have gotten. they have to achieve more than the million dollars to achieve a profit in that particular case. all i'm saying is the rule of law has prevailed here. we can look at it and let's see how we can do better. let's come together. let's not come apart. >> thank you. thank you so...
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it's not fair to me, it's not fair to mr. zimmerman or mr. o'mara or the court. judge, this was a trick. >> so i'm here in sanford with martin savage and attorney mark nijame. what are people saying about west's aggressive style here in the community? >> he's a great attorney. i don't think there's any real doubt on that. were there moments he wasn't so great in this particular trial? yeah, i think even mark o'mara would say there's times that issues came up, some of them let's say the cross-examination of rachel jeantel. that became what appeared to be a test of wills. i understand what don west was trying to do and carefully trying to go in and dissect some of her testimony but she wasn't having any of it and a big yen rational gap and among other reasons. they didn't connect. he couldn't be really effective with her. but it looked like now he was combative. the knock-knock joke didn't set things off well. the instagram -- in relation to rachel jeantel. didn't appear to be at his best or appeared to be an angry, aggressi aggressive, attacking type of person. bu
it's not fair to me, it's not fair to mr. zimmerman or mr. o'mara or the court. judge, this was a trick. >> so i'm here in sanford with martin savage and attorney mark nijame. what are people saying about west's aggressive style here in the community? >> he's a great attorney. i don't think there's any real doubt on that. were there moments he wasn't so great in this particular trial? yeah, i think even mark o'mara would say there's times that issues came up, some of them let's say...
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when the defense says that mr. zimmerman won't see a courthouse again, that is not true. the family had already filed a civil suit that will go forward. they are not immune to a suit that is already been filed. and zimmerman will have to testify in a civil suit. you cannot avoid that. and his testimony could lead to some very interesting new evidence. the federal government, the justice department suspended an investigation. they did not end it. and clearly, we will be having a conference call tonight, civil rights leaders. we will be pushing for them to move forward. i've talk to mr. crump with these two press conferences and he will be reiterating that. this whole notion that race had nothing to do with this. let us be clear. one, we came in, civil rights groups and i organized the first big rally in sanford because we were asked to by the family and the local community that said that there was a pattern of racial problems with the sanford police department. had the sanford police department went ahead like anybody would have thought, given the inconsistencies of the st
when the defense says that mr. zimmerman won't see a courthouse again, that is not true. the family had already filed a civil suit that will go forward. they are not immune to a suit that is already been filed. and zimmerman will have to testify in a civil suit. you cannot avoid that. and his testimony could lead to some very interesting new evidence. the federal government, the justice department suspended an investigation. they did not end it. and clearly, we will be having a conference call...
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will hold mr. zimmerman accountable. for what he has done. >> schieffer: in other words, would you file -- ask him to file some sort of federal lawsuit that is civil rights were violated? >> no. federal criminal charges, the matthew shepard, james bird hate crime bill. reality they have to show that race was a factor in his decision making. there seems to be plenty of evidence that suggests that may race may have been a factor he called 911 a lot about young black men that he thought were dangerous. he said, these punks always get away, having had that track record, those words have powerful meaning then you hear young men who say they felt targeted by him. and so, that's our hope, should not be the case that somebody should be able to track, to taunt, to kill a young man on the streets. >> schieffer: let me bring in michael of georgetown university, biographer of martin luther king, junior, was this about race? >> absolutely. from the very beginning. it was racial motivation it appears of george zimmerman when he said "
will hold mr. zimmerman accountable. for what he has done. >> schieffer: in other words, would you file -- ask him to file some sort of federal lawsuit that is civil rights were violated? >> no. federal criminal charges, the matthew shepard, james bird hate crime bill. reality they have to show that race was a factor in his decision making. there seems to be plenty of evidence that suggests that may race may have been a factor he called 911 a lot about young black men that he...
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. >>> mr. zimmerman, i have signed the judgment that confirms the jury's verdict. your bond will be released. your gps monitor will be cut off when you exit the courtroom over here. and you have no further business with the court. okay, thank you. is there anything else -- >> and that is how the criminal case ended. just really seems like a few hours ago. george zimmerman a free man this morning. >> as his lawyer said, whether he decides to stay in florida or move away and start over, zimmerman's life will never really be the same. >> and part of the reason his life will never be the same is the national attention that was drawn to this case and the reactions we're hearing from fellow citizens online, really across all social media, twitter, facebook, even instagram and youtube. people are speaking out, as well they can and should. the majority, though, of the messages that you're seeing so far are disappointment, supporters of trayvon martin. victor blackwell is at cnn headquarters in atlanta following this social media reaction. so, victor, what are you seeing so
. >>> mr. zimmerman, i have signed the judgment that confirms the jury's verdict. your bond will be released. your gps monitor will be cut off when you exit the courtroom over here. and you have no further business with the court. okay, thank you. is there anything else -- >> and that is how the criminal case ended. just really seems like a few hours ago. george zimmerman a free man this morning. >> as his lawyer said, whether he decides to stay in florida or move away and...
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it's also true that mr. zimmerman over a period of years, made dozens and dozens of calls, grossly disproportionately about young, black and brown men, boys of color, boys that lived in his community were of color said that he targeted them unfairly. and that it sounds from some of his comments that was a factor. in why he targeted a young innocent boy who was just walking home with skittles and iced tea, trying to get to his father's friend's house. the reality here is that it may not have anything to do with this verdict, but it certainly has a lot to do with this case and raised a lot of serious questions about why trayvon martin was killed that day. >> cherylynn, there is talk about the next steps. what's it going to take for the justice department, do you think, to investigate the shooting of trayvon martin as a civil rights violation? >> well, ben and the naacp have done an extraordinary job of mobilizing the public to sign a petition. i think the last i heard it was a quarter of a million people. when
it's also true that mr. zimmerman over a period of years, made dozens and dozens of calls, grossly disproportionately about young, black and brown men, boys of color, boys that lived in his community were of color said that he targeted them unfairly. and that it sounds from some of his comments that was a factor. in why he targeted a young innocent boy who was just walking home with skittles and iced tea, trying to get to his father's friend's house. the reality here is that it may not have...
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>> i don't think casey could advise mr. zimmerman on anything. mainly because these are two separate cases. but both of these individuals won't be able to live a normal life ever again. they are forever etched in history. they will have to go and live quiet lives somewhere and try and do something with their lives. i certainly hope that -- mr. zimmerman's been given a second chance, he does something good with it. >> forever etched in history, no hope or little hope of living a normal life. it's interesting to hear that, especially from your perspective. jose baez, thank you very much for joining us on this very busy sunday morning. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> we have a lot more coming up. >> yes, we do. >>> as britain and the world awaits a royal baby, the grandmother the royal baby will never know. how his or her parents will instill diandiana's values. we will hear from bianna next on "gma." royal values. we will hear from bianna next on "gma." time for a technology makeover. she's coming to the new samsung experience shop at
>> i don't think casey could advise mr. zimmerman on anything. mainly because these are two separate cases. but both of these individuals won't be able to live a normal life ever again. they are forever etched in history. they will have to go and live quiet lives somewhere and try and do something with their lives. i certainly hope that -- mr. zimmerman's been given a second chance, he does something good with it. >> forever etched in history, no hope or little hope of living a...
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i certainly hope mr. zimmerman has been given a second chance and does something good with it. >> forever etched in history, no or little hope of living a normal life. it's interesting to hear that, especially from your perspective. thank you for joining us on this busy sunday morning. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> we have a lot more coming up. >> the grandmother the royal babe will never know, how the parents will instill the values. we will hear from bianna next on "gma." time for a technology makeover. she's coming to the new samsung experience shop at best buy to spend her graduation bounty on a... new laptop, a smartphone, camera and a tablet. i'm starting from scratch. okay, how about we get started with the laptop. here, she can find all the galaxy devices she wants. have all her questions answered. how's the battery life? it's great. this is so light. what can you tell me about this? and get personalized demos, right on the spot. and you can just browse through your pictures?... th
i certainly hope mr. zimmerman has been given a second chance and does something good with it. >> forever etched in history, no or little hope of living a normal life. it's interesting to hear that, especially from your perspective. thank you for joining us on this busy sunday morning. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> we have a lot more coming up. >> the grandmother the royal babe will never know, how the parents will instill the values. we will hear from...
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we also have to find a way to keep people like mr. zimmerman from having guns. we need to make clear that not only did mr. zimmerman have his ability to stand his ground and protect himself, so does trayvon martin. he is being followed by someone. he has a right to stand his ground as well. i think florida has serious issues as it relates to this law. i think they are not even-handed in the way they dispense justice. just in jacksonville, very recently a young mother who fired a warning shot into the air after she was being attacked by her husband, into the air. no one was injured. she received a sentence of 20 years. in the same state. she couldn't hold her ground. that says to me that there is a difference in the way we dispense justice between those who are african-american or poor or minority than others. >> that same woman had a protective order against her husband as well because of abuse suffered in the marriage in the past. >> absolutely. >> a lot of questions surrounding that. i do want -- we have to meet the promise of getting you on to talk about the
we also have to find a way to keep people like mr. zimmerman from having guns. we need to make clear that not only did mr. zimmerman have his ability to stand his ground and protect himself, so does trayvon martin. he is being followed by someone. he has a right to stand his ground as well. i think florida has serious issues as it relates to this law. i think they are not even-handed in the way they dispense justice. just in jacksonville, very recently a young mother who fired a warning shot...
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trying to show that mr. zimmerman had a state of mind as he was following mr. martin, that is consistent with the person with ill will and malice. whether or not that got connected up to the actual shooting or not is challenging because you have to have, you have to be able to show the inconsistent statements that were made were really the product of him furthering this ill will and malice. that is a very, very difficult challenge that the prosecution has. what everyone has is a fight. they can see there's a fight. once you have a fight, then the question is, was that person injured enough to justify shooting or not? that gets you to the manslaughter consideration. so it is, i would think the prosecution has a very difficult up-hill battle on the second-degree murder. >> i've heard you make a number, talk about the key points in the trial. i guess what i want to ask you is, did the defense do an effective job of poking holes in the prosecution's case? i can you've talked about things like the position of the gun and some of the different pieces of evidence or t
trying to show that mr. zimmerman had a state of mind as he was following mr. martin, that is consistent with the person with ill will and malice. whether or not that got connected up to the actual shooting or not is challenging because you have to have, you have to be able to show the inconsistent statements that were made were really the product of him furthering this ill will and malice. that is a very, very difficult challenge that the prosecution has. what everyone has is a fight. they can...
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>> mr. zimmerman had a right to trial by jury. naacp and others have a right to pursue their interests in terms of civil rights. no matter where you stand, this was a tragedy. it's a tragedy for a young man who was killed. it's a tragedy for a young man who killed and will carry that around with him for the rest of his life. it's an american tragedy. what we need to do is come together as a nation of laws, courts and civil rights. >> all right, gentlemen. let's turn to what we brought you here to talk about today, and that's immigration. speaker boehner said he will not even bring the senate bill up for a vote. he wants to deal with this in bite-sized can chunked and on the enforcement issue only -- nothing on legalization until the border is secure. congressman king, you say it's a mistake for the republicans in the house to even do that. why? >> first it's a mistake for republicans to believe the election was about immigration. i don't remember a debate between barack obama and mitt romney on immigration. i remember waking up th
>> mr. zimmerman had a right to trial by jury. naacp and others have a right to pursue their interests in terms of civil rights. no matter where you stand, this was a tragedy. it's a tragedy for a young man who was killed. it's a tragedy for a young man who killed and will carry that around with him for the rest of his life. it's an american tragedy. what we need to do is come together as a nation of laws, courts and civil rights. >> all right, gentlemen. let's turn to what we...
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zimmerman's and mr. martin's, and on the negligent theory, i think the self defense claim here trumps all and this was the only verdict regardless of how it was charged. >> is there any single piece of evidence that could have helped the prosecution make its case, perhaps a more credible witness or a piece of audio? they had everything going against them. >> it's not a question of everything going against them, it's a question of you knew go into this case what this case was all about. you knew the facts and the witnesses and the evidence and you still decided to proceed in this manner. mr. west is correct, it's shameful. >> it does seem to go after murder two with such flakey evidence. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >>> george zimmerman now a freeman. the last case to get this much attention in florida, the casey trial. what is the road like ahead for zimmerman? my name is mike and i quit smoking. chantix... it's a non-nicotine pill. i didn't want nicotine to give up nicotine. [ male announcer
zimmerman's and mr. martin's, and on the negligent theory, i think the self defense claim here trumps all and this was the only verdict regardless of how it was charged. >> is there any single piece of evidence that could have helped the prosecution make its case, perhaps a more credible witness or a piece of audio? they had everything going against them. >> it's not a question of everything going against them, it's a question of you knew go into this case what this case was all...
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i know that mr. o'mara kept saying that in his closing argument that george was absolutely innocent. but this not guilty verdict did not say that the jurors believed he was innocent. all it says is, they could not find beyond a reasonable doubt every element of the kriep. that was the hardest thing for the jury to overcome. as many people looked in the case, in their gut, they feel that something wrong happened here. in their gut, they feel that george zimmerman did something wrong. but under the law, which is very cold and dispassionate, could they look and say, the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt, if they could, they have to say, i'm sorry, you will not be held liable under the criminal justice system. so it's then jump and say, well they are saying he is innocent. i think it's a jump that people should not take. that the defense should not say. that no one should say and i think when we hear from the jurors if we do, they will make it clear that they were not saying he was innocent, t
i know that mr. o'mara kept saying that in his closing argument that george was absolutely innocent. but this not guilty verdict did not say that the jurors believed he was innocent. all it says is, they could not find beyond a reasonable doubt every element of the kriep. that was the hardest thing for the jury to overcome. as many people looked in the case, in their gut, they feel that something wrong happened here. in their gut, they feel that george zimmerman did something wrong. but under...
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♪ >>> states of florida versus george zimmerman verdict we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >>> back to our top story tonight the george zimmerman verdict and the world's reaction. across the country mostly peaceful protests and the president is wearing in. mr. obama says trayvon martin's death was a tragedy for america. last night a jury found him not guilty of killing trayvon martin. martin's death in february 2012 unleashed a debate to profiling and the right to self defense. >> we respect the jury's verdict what it comes down to is a kid minding his own business being followed by a stranger. >> i am thrilled that this jury kept this tragedy from becoming a travesty. >> the naacp is urging the department justice to bring civil rights charges. >>> people across our area are gathering on the campus of howard university for a trayvon martin vigil there. the university called by the university's naacp. emotions are high, aren't they audrey? >> very much so, lauer acxfing hundreds will gather around the flag pole for an individual in honor of that travel they will also be prot
♪ >>> states of florida versus george zimmerman verdict we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >>> back to our top story tonight the george zimmerman verdict and the world's reaction. across the country mostly peaceful protests and the president is wearing in. mr. obama says trayvon martin's death was a tragedy for america. last night a jury found him not guilty of killing trayvon martin. martin's death in february 2012 unleashed a debate to profiling and the right to...
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i know that mr. o'mara kept saying that in his closing argument that george was absolutely innocent. but this not guilty verdict did not say that the jurors believed he was innocent. all it says is, they could not find beyond a reasonable doubt every element of the kriep. that was the hardest thing for the jury to overcome. as many people looked in the case, in their gut, they feel that something wrong happened here. in their gut, they feel that george zimmerman did something wrong. but under the law, which is very cold and dispassionate, could they look and say, the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt, if they could, they have to say, i'm sorry, you will not be held liable under the criminal justice system. so it's then jump and say, well they are saying he is innocent. i think it's a jump that people should not take. that the defense should not say. that no one should say and i think when we hear from the jurors if we do, they will make it clear that they were not saying he was innocent, t
i know that mr. o'mara kept saying that in his closing argument that george was absolutely innocent. but this not guilty verdict did not say that the jurors believed he was innocent. all it says is, they could not find beyond a reasonable doubt every element of the kriep. that was the hardest thing for the jury to overcome. as many people looked in the case, in their gut, they feel that something wrong happened here. in their gut, they feel that george zimmerman did something wrong. but under...
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the george zimmerman verdict. >> this is something no one gets over. there is no winners here. there is no monsters here. that is the tragedy. >> don west one of the victorious defense team and he is right there are no winners here. remember this jury, six ladies. six women. six local women. five of them white. one hispanic. what must they have thought of this spectacle. of course, they were sequestered but it was impossible, frankly, folks, let's face it for them not to know the eyes of the nation and the world were on sanford, florida, on that courthouse behind me and that they were playing a central role in a historic event this trial i think will be looked back on. susan constantine a well known jury consultant joins me now and i want to give you a head's up folks, i will be asking the panel and panelists please get ready about the request by the naacp for a federal investigation and a civil rights perhaps civil rights federal indictment of george zimmerman and that i think will be part of the news cycle tomorrow. i will get to that. susan constantine. the six ladies. first
the george zimmerman verdict. >> this is something no one gets over. there is no winners here. there is no monsters here. that is the tragedy. >> don west one of the victorious defense team and he is right there are no winners here. remember this jury, six ladies. six women. six local women. five of them white. one hispanic. what must they have thought of this spectacle. of course, they were sequestered but it was impossible, frankly, folks, let's face it for them not to know the...
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. >> even in this particular case, that was completely counterfactual what mr. o'mara said, is police did not go through all protocol in securing that crime scene because they believed george zimmerman's version without forensic science being conducted at the crime scene. that's the example of white people being presumed innocent and a dead black boy laying on the sidewalk is presumed guilty with no ability to give his own statement. >> i think we can get this up on the screen. this is a revealing graphic that shows racial disparity in killings deemed -- here it is, found to be justifiable. the way to explain this is the baseline is white-on-white crime. you see if it's white-on-black crime, we put this in states that have stand your ground laws, don't have stand your ground laws and blue is all states. you can see there's a huge -- 200, 300, nearly 400% difference when you talk about black-on-white crime. the idea of a justifiable homicide is vastly more likely -- it's negative there when it becomes a black-on-white issue. >> because you can get away with it. b
. >> even in this particular case, that was completely counterfactual what mr. o'mara said, is police did not go through all protocol in securing that crime scene because they believed george zimmerman's version without forensic science being conducted at the crime scene. that's the example of white people being presumed innocent and a dead black boy laying on the sidewalk is presumed guilty with no ability to give his own statement. >> i think we can get this up on the screen. this...